11/07/2024
Was Joe Frazier afraid of big punchers? Did he really avoid legends like Sonny Liston, Cleveland Williams, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Gerry Cooney, and Mike Tyson? Let's dive into the life and career of one of boxing's fiercest warriors and uncover the truth.
Joe Frazier feared nothing on Earth and certainly no man walking it. He was eager to fight Sonny Liston, but his management team overruled him. Lyle and Shavers were never ranked above him, making those fights less sensible from a financial and career perspective.
When it came to Mike Tyson, he was just a child when Frazier retired. Mike was only 9 years old during Frazier's first retirement and 15 when Joe came out of retirement for one last bout.
As for Gerry Cooney, he hadn’t even started his career when Joe retired the first time.
Cleveland Williams was not a ranked contender by the time Joe became a contender.
Forget any notion of Frazier being afraid. He never feared anyone in his life. Eddie Futch, who trained Joe, famously said, “Joe was made so hard by life he ignored fear.”
To address the fighters mentioned:
# # # Sonny Liston
Sonny repeatedly challenged Joe Frazier after Ali lost the title in 1967. While Frazier himself feared no one and wanted to accept the fight, his management team, Cloverlay, vetoed any fight with Liston. It wasn’t just Joe’s team avoiding Sonny; Liston was one of the most avoided fighters in history. Even Jimmy Ellis refused to face Sonny, and despite deserving to be the top seed, Liston was blackballed from the tournament that Ellis eventually won. Liston’s unpopularity with the media further prevented him from getting the matches he deserved.
# # # Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers
Joe Frazier started fighting six years before Ron Lyle and four years before Earnie Shavers. For a fierce in-fighter like Frazier, those years were significant. Joe became world champion in 1968, a year before Shavers turned pro, and three years before Lyle began his career. By the time Lyle and Shavers were climbing the ranks, Joe was nearing the end of his career. Lyle wasn’t ranked until 1972, and his loss to Jerry Quarry, who Frazier had knocked out twice, diminished the appeal of a Frazier-Lyle fight.
Earnie Shavers didn’t appear in the rankings until 1973, and while he sought a fight with Joe, the money offered was not worth the risk. Joe, like Larry Holmes, believed in being paid what the fight was worth. He was not interested in taking tough fights for a pittance, especially when his primary goal was to regain the title he lost to George Foreman.
# # # Gerry Cooney and Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier retired before Gerry Cooney started his career and long before Mike Tyson became a formidable fighter. By the time Tyson was making waves, Frazier was well into his retirement, making any potential match-up between them a moot point.
After losing his title to Foreman in 1973, Joe Frazier focused solely on regaining it. He wasn't interested in fighting anyone other than Ali or Foreman, the only men who had defeated him. He only had six fights after his first loss to Foreman, including legendary bouts with Ali and a rematch with Foreman.
Joe Frazier was a warrior who feared no man. His career decisions were driven by strategic management and financial considerations, not fear.